Cesar Millan Hanging Shadow

Dr. Marc Bekoff has jumped into the Cesar Millan abuse controversy (that there is a controversy baffles me) with an article titled “Did Cesar Millan have to hang the Husky” Dr. Bekoff makes an excellent case and I won’t go into any of the issues he brings up, instead my focus on the comments made by the Millan supporters. As usual, this article brought out the Millan apologists and they make the same excuses they make for every dog that Millan has mistreated.

Every outburst by Shadow was preceded by Millan mistreating him, either by choking him off or by kicking him. The simple fact is that if any animal is prevented from breathing, it will fight with all it has to get relief.  It’s one of the reason police forces like the LAPD have stopped using the choke-hold, it’s hard to get compliance while the suspect is fighting to breathe.  Some forces still the ‘sleeper hold’ which applies pressure on the sides of the neck. This doesn’t elicit the panic response because the person can still breathe.

In short, Millan doesn’t get to use a self-defense excuse because the was the aggressor and instigator of this ‘fight’ and Shadow is literally fighting to breathe. Fighting for his life. Millan started the fight, he doesn’t get to claim victim status.

Many of the CM supporters are also trying to paint Shadow as a vicious dog out to dominate and bite any human in its path.  I disagree.

I don’t think that Shadow was the vicious dog their narrative paints him out to be. It is the opposite.  This is a dog that doesn’t bite people. In fact just in the short clips we see, there are several chances when Shadow could have bitten Millan or the owner and chooses not to do so. In total there are 9 incidents of Shadow having an arm or hand INSIDE  its mouth (3  more ‘possibles’ but were open to interpretation so I left them out) and NOT BITING. I won’t post the gory images of what happens when a dog does decide to bite you can look them up yourself but clearly Shadow is not a biter.

9 opportunities to bite and ZERO bites

What I see his a dog here with incredible self-restraint. Despite all that he is being put through, Shadow refuses to bite.

If only the owners or Millan showed such restraint.

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66 thoughts on “Cesar Millan Hanging Shadow

  1. I will absolutely never fathom how people can watch this and think it’s okay. I know it’s supposedly “unprofessional” or “immature” to call people out by name and decry their methods, but I feel it’s absolutely justified when dogs are being harmed and people are being hideously misinformed.

    • There is nothing unprofessional about calling out a fraud and abuser. As a matter of fact, it’s unprofessional not to.

      • Agreed. I can completely understand wanting to avoid drama, but this idiot really needs to be stopped.

        • Ohhh ladies, please! Dr. Bekoff is an idiot if he thinks this dog was not biting and so are you both for for thinking the same. I have watched this episode time and time again, it is true that the training tool being used by the owner (prong collar) was obviously not the right one which is why Cesar changed and used the leash instead. I am a certified dog trainer and have trained hundreds and hundreds of dogs, Shadow was in a dominant state and needed to be subdued and dominated back. I’ve seen this many times with all the Mali’s I’ve trained….please stop your snappy judgement unless you know what the hell you are talking about. These bitch sites really tick me off because it’s filled with a bunch of bleeding hearts who have nothing better to to then bitch and bring people down. Cesar Milan has one of the biggest hearts, is generous way beyond you can every hope to be, has single handedly changed the world’s outlook on pittbuls, has helped thousands of people with their canine problems and has taken in and rehabilitated hundreds and hundreds of dogs which would have ended up on death row. You think Cesar is a dog abuser, why don’t you get your heads out of your ass and look at the real abuse going on, people burning dogs, people using dogs as targets for dog fighting, dogs beating dogs to death for the fun of it then dumping them in dumpsters or burring them alive…..you know come see me then with your bitchy rants and tell me that a choke collar is cruelty!!!

          • That should have said people beating dogs to death for the fun of it….sorry I was obviously pissed and made a typo!

          • I appreciate when people like you post because it is hard to believe someone as stupid as you could possibly exist. If I were to describe you, most people would think that I was making you up. It really lets people see how repulsively ignorant Millan’s supporters are.

            I assert the dog is not a biter; to support that claim I have shown you 9 examples of the dog having a limb inside its jaws and not biting. OTOH, you assert he bites and have nothing to show in support of that claim.
            http://dogdoright.com/dogbitepages/General_Dog_Bites.htm
            In short Sarah, you need to get your head out of your ass.

            It is not surprising to see you describe Shadow as dominant; his followers see dominance around every corner. Everyone else that doesn’t get their view of dogs from a reality tv dog groomer sees something else. There is no evidence to support the claim that he has saved dogs from death; that is just another marketing claim that is made without any evidence.

            Millan is a dog abuser. People who fight dogs are also dog abusers. The existence of one will not nullify the existence of the other. It is possible for people to be concerned about all forms of abuse.

            • Well, to whomever responded to my comment under the general title of Science of Dogs, thank you because now I know what kind of ignorance this website is fuelled by. If you think that what constitutes a bite is a piercing of the skin then you’ve got your head farther up your ass than I thought. The dog is using his mouth to touch the human, it has a limb in it’s mouth because it took it in it’s mouth, the human did not put it there. It does it to it’s owner (BIG NO NO), it did it to CM not to mention Shadow did break the skin on Cesars arm. Guess you missed that one or conveniently left it out because it was too open for interpretation. A touch or a bite from a dog’s mouth on its human or trainer or anyone is a negative behaviour and should not be made out as anything less. You are putting people at risk by saying such nonsense as your followers or readers will think that it’s okay for their dog to touch them that way. WRONG! This leads to the photos you so graciously included in your link on dog bites. I hope you appreciate posts like mine because maybe, just maybe, people will wake up and realize that DICIPLINE is not punishment. PEOPLE, if your dog is using it’s mouth on you or any member of your family or anyone else for that matter, this is a negative behaviour that must be corrected. DO NOT, DO NOT let this go unaddressed. I never said this dog was vicious, I said this dog was dominant which is the behaviour he was exhibiting when he came in close vicinity of the other dog, which is what he unleashed on his owner, which is what he unleashed on Cesar. Mali’s are more primitive breed, closer to wolves, trust me I’ve had many. Certainly not all Mailmutes react the way Shadow did, many are big teddy bears, but those Mali’s that are closer to the primitive gene pool can be a challenge. Again, Shadow was from a rescue, who knows what his story was other than abandoned and undernourished.

              As for the idiot responding to these posts from Science of Dogs, Please oh please come to one of my dog training workshops, I’ll put you with some Shadow’s of my own and see how, “bad dog, don’t do that” will work out for ya! As for the lack of proof you so idiotically mentioned about how many dogs Cesar Milan has saved from death row and how this is a marketing ploy on his part…..you are such an idiot! Consult with all those whom have actually trained with Cesar, whom have visited his complexes (Dog Psychology Centres) all the dogs he has graciously taken from owners whom were not the right fit for that particular animal whom would have ended up in dog pounds on death row, testimonials, interviews, videos, etc….OH YES ALL A MARKETING PLOY. Dumb people like you shouldn’t have bitch sites like this, you are detrimental to the safety of present and future dog owners! SHAME ON YOU!

              • Well, to whomever responded to my comment under the general title of Science of Dogs, thank you because now I know what kind of ignorance this website is fuelled by.

                You don’t know anything. It is obvious you are an ignorant fool who revels in the suffering of animals.

                If you think that what constitutes a bite is a piercing of the skin then you’ve got your head farther up your ass than I thought.

                No, I never wrote that. I do sympathize with your situation; it must be difficult reading anything peering at the world through your own anus.

                The dog is using his mouth to touch the human, it has a limb in its mouth because it took it in it’s mouth, the human did not put it there. It does it to it’s owner (BIG NO NO), it did it to CM not to mention Shadow did break the skin on Cesars arm.

                Yes, the dog is defending itself and showing more restrained than the owners or Millan ever showed. It’s always the human’s fault, that’s what the dog jabber and his cheerleaders like to say. Therefore, if the dog has an intense emotional reaction, the handler is at fault for putting the dog in that position. But even then under these harrowing circumstances Shadow choosing not to bite. Millan is choosing to strangle Shadow. And Millan’s arm was scratched by the dog’s nails as Millan was hanging it. It takes a special kind of sadist to blame a dog for wanting to breathe.

                Guess you missed that one or conveniently left it out because it was too open for interpretation.

                No my inattentive reader, I didn’t miss anything because you are making it up. I left it out because Millan says that it was a scratch.
                A touch or a bite from a dog’s mouth on its human or trainer or anyone is a negative behaviour and should not be made out as anything less.
                Since the dog never bit anyone, your objections are out of place.

                You are putting people at risk by saying such nonsense as your followers or readers will think that it’s okay for their dog to touch them that way. WRONG! This leads to the photos you so graciously included in your link on dog bites.

                It’s that kind of uninformed opinion that results in bites. There are several studies that link aggressive handling and dog bites. It is something we see with Cesar Millan, he provokes dogs and gets bit.

                I hope you appreciate posts like mine because maybe, just maybe, people will wake up and realize that DICIPLINE is not punishment.

                I don ‘t. You are despicable for trying to justify violence against animals. Don’t bother using euphemisms here. What you do is violence not discipline.

                PEOPLE, if your dog is using it’s mouth on you or any member of your family or anyone else for that matter, this is a negative behaviour that must be corrected. DO NO, DO NOT let this go unaddressed.

                Playful mouthing is something many people enjoy and it shows a dog that has good bite inhibition. Dogs should be brought up knowing how to mouth people, a view espoused by Dr. Ian Dunbar long before Millan every jumped the fence into the USA. Shadow has good bite inhibition because even under this stressful situation, it never bites.

                I never said this dog was vicious, I said this dog was dominant which is the behaviour he was exhibiting when he came in close vicinity of the other dog, which is what he unleashed on his owner, which is what he unleashed on Cesar.

                Why are all Millan fans so ignorant? You throw that label around without knowing what it even means. This dog is not dominant. The behavior we are seeing is defensive aggression, redirected aggression, maybe leash frustration, and fear. Millan kicked Shadow and induced defensive behavior from the dog.

                http://www.drsophiayin.com/dominance.php#def
                http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090521112711.htm
                http://video.pbs.org/video/1488005229
                http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sophia-yin/experts-say-dominance-bas_b_204482.html

                Mali’s are more primitive breed, closer to wolves, trust me I’ve had many.

                That’s the great thing about science, I don’t have to rely on “trust”. That’s how I know you are full of crap.

                Certainly not all Mailmutes react the way Shadow did, many are big teddy bears, but those Mali’s that are closer to the primitive gene pool can be a challenge.

                A circular argument and a ridiculous claim based on genetic determinism. A view brutally outdated. During all that time you were busy owning “many” Malamutes…did you learn to correctly spell the breed’s name?

                Again, Shadow was from a rescue, who knows what his story was other than abandoned and undernourished.

                More reason not to use aversive methods. For all you know punishment contributed the behavior we were seeing.
                As for the idiot responding to these posts from Science of Dogs, Please oh please come to one of my dog training workshops,
                I have no interest in seeing an abuser mistreat dogs because you get dog behavior advice from an entertainer.

                I’ll put you with some Shadow’s of my own and see how, “bad dog, don’t do that” will work out for ya!

                Of course you will. Outdated, punishment-centric managers like you always have a “Shadow” of their own. You create them.

                As for the lack of proof you so idiotically mentioned about how many dogs Cesar Milan has saved from death row and how this is a marketing ploy on his part…..you are such an idiot!

                Wow! What flawless argument except you forgot the part where you actually present the proof.

                Consult with all those whom have actually trained with Cesar, whom have visited his complexes (Dog Psychology Centres) all the dogs he has graciously taken from owners whom were not the right fit for that particular animal whom would have ended up in dog pounds on death row, testimonials, interviews, videos, etc….OH YES ALL A MARKETING PLOY. Dumb people like you shouldn’t have bitch sites like this, you are detrimental to the safety of present and future dog owners! SHAME ON YOU!

                Millan has very strict non-disclosure agreements or else the truth about his failures would be better known. It is impossible to consult anyone. The only follow-up I know comes from the Ultimate Episode Guide, the book is a testament to his failures. He trains neither people nor dogs.
                As to all the dogs he has taken because he couldn’t punish into behaving… that’s hardly a recommendation. The methods you defend and promote put people in danger and get dogs killed.

                I would say ‘Shame on you’ but it has been my experience that dog abusers are shameless.

                  • Sarah, you are a pathetic foul-mouthed troll who hasn’t learned to use the spell-check functions. This blog is called SCIENCE OF DOGS, and you have offered nothing to back up your insults. Your thesis of ‘you are an idiot because you are an idiot’ is a perfect example of the lack critical thinking skills found in many of the Millan-apologists. Feel free to call me an idiot; if you want it published, you’ll have to back it up with some facts.

                    • If you watch the episode without tone, you will see that Shadow never showed a dominant behaviour. Every time when his owners pulled the leash, he was fighting against that choke collar. Without any pulling, he was calm and interested in dogs. To me it was specially the female owner who did nearly everything wrong. She choked Shadow (and Shadow was fighting for breath), she grasped his neck (and then he snapped as a warning but never bit). I am absolutely sure, if Shadow got a harness, nothing of this horrible things in the episode would have happened. Cesar Millan always speaks about dominance, but dominance is not a characteristic, it is a situative state and has nothing to do with a hierarchy. Even the lowest-ranking dog has the permission to show dominance from time to time. A pack leader is not a dictator. We should get over those Konrad Most crap and the Alphatheory, because it is proven to be wrong (by David Mech, Günther Bloch, Marc Bekoff, Dorit Feddersen-petersen, Patricia B. McConnell, Adam Miklosi, James O’Heare, John Bradshaw and many more). Learning shouldn’t hurt.

          • Regardless of whether or not the dog was biting, Cesar still approached this very improperly. Your certification holds very little meaning. There are no standards or requirements in place to become a dog trainer, and many of the tests (such as the CPDT-KA) are very basic and easy. I myself have been a behavior intern since January and have assisted in several classes, including a Feisty Fido class (which is exactly the sort of class Shadow would have benefited from). I prefer to look at behavior and training from an objective, scientific point of view to determine which bits of information are most accurate and efficient, so I wouldn’t classify myself as a bleeding heart. I do agree with Cesar that dogs are dogs and should be treated as such, not as children. I do, however, hold the findings of a certified behaviorist over a certified trainer any day. I cannot find a single certified behaviorist who agrees with Cesar Millan’s methods or dominance theory in and of itself. Even one of the scientists, Dr. Mech, who originally conducted the studies on wolves that were later extrapolated to dogs has admitted they got it wrong. Some closer looks at canine behavior have actually found that dogs are technically not even pack animals. You can read more about that here: http://jeandonaldson.com/jeans-blog-mainmenu-51/64-are-dogs-pack-animals
            Humans are actually much closer to pack animals than dogs. You should check out the American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior’s position statement on dominance theory here: http://avsabonline.org/uploads/position_statements/dominance_statement.pdf
            To simplify it, dogs only understand what is safe and what works. They perform these “dominant” behaviors because they work to get them what they want (whether that be getting to walk ahead, attention, food, toys, etc.). They are not doing them to assert leadership.

            I do not doubt Cesar has good intentions. But he is willfully ignorant and, despite admitting his method is “not the only way,” he has never seemed to consider that any of them might be more appropriate than his own. He himself has no education or certification. Experience does not count for much because one can have decades of experience doing the wrong things. The reason it seems like his methods work is because what he does is suppress behaviors. He does not address the underlying cause, the REAL “why” of the behavior (which isn’t dominance), and resolve it. He merely puts a bandaid on it. He stops the behavior, but does not change how the dog feels (in fact he usually makes the dog feel worse), He fixes the owner’s problem, not the dog’s. Many dogs whose aggressive behavior has been suppressed become ticking time bombs. Or the dogs shut down and succumb to learned helplessness, which is psychologically cruel.

            Have you ever looked on the other side of the training spectrum? Those who use progressive reinforcement and clicker training to rehabilitate fear-based aggression? They have had a lot of success as well, because they change the dog’s state of mind to make it feel safe, and teach it that it has no reason to behave that way, that there are better ways to cope. But they do not have a TV show (largely because clicker training is actually very boring to watch and doesn’t make for good TV, even with dramatic music). So their stories and information do not reach nearly as many people because society as a whole would rather sit and watch a TV show than actually get up and research these things. Trainers who do not remain open-minded and explore all possibilities do a huge disservice to their clients and themselves. So I urge you to reevaluate what you’ve been taught.

          • Sarah, Shadow never bit Millan. It was a scratch, even Millan comments that it was a scratch and not a bite. And given the amount of abuse the owners and Millan were heaping on the dog, he was well within his right to defend himself. Yet he never bit anyone. You and other abusers don’t get to attack a dog and then label it aggressive for defending itself.
            Once again the crap you are trying to peddle is refuted by the very guy you are trying to defend.
            Stop whining and start giving us some facts. And Sarah, your vile post contained too many “idiot”, “dumb”, “ass”, “bitch”, etc to publish in this blog without age restrictions.

          • Thank you, Sarah. Finally a reasonable voice, with common sense. I’ll never understand what motivates the Cesar-haters. They see what they want to see and believe what they want to believe. Reality is usually quite different. All you have to do is use your eyes, ears and common sense to understand what Cesar is doing. There’s something seriously wrong with people who not only attack a person who is trying to help dogs, but write pages and pages of nonsense about it and obsess over it in YouTube comments. It makes me and Rin Tin Tin sick!

            • ESM, you are misconstruing the situation. People don’t criticize Millan for wanting to help dogs. They do so for using violence in his attempt to do so. For refusing to learn and adopt modern methods. For failing to educate himself on the science which contradicts almost everything he says.

          • At last, someone talking sense on this site! I’m so sick of people vilifying CM, when he has rehabilitated so many dogs and not once have I seen him abuse a dog. Until I do, I will continue to support his methods; all the while not agreeing with everyone of them. Please study dog behaviour people and yes, focus on the real abusers of dogs, not the Saviours!

            • Sarah is an idiot. The dog was not biting and did not bite. Everything Millan said about the dog was pure unadulterated bullshit and greedily consumed by those easily fooled by anyone on TV. In supporting Millan you support ignorance, anti-science, and abuse.

        • I have been training dogs for over 50 years. I taught animal behavior and care for professionals at Indiana University for years. I am disgusted with the abuse I have seen Cesar do on his show. There was a video posted a two or three years ago where he kicks the dog behind his back repeatedly. The worst I saw was he had a dog that was basically shut down. He put it on a treed mill, put a stick under its tail that was tucked under it, and had a constant barrage of balloons exploding and other loud noises. This is called flooding, but done for the entire wrong reason. A withdrawn dog needs confidence building and trust building. Putting a stick under the tail to force the tail up does nothing. The treed mill is forcing the dog to walk with no reward and no positive reinforcement, and the constant barrage of loud explosions is only confusing to the dog since it has no idea what is going on. I have worked in broadcasting (radio and TV) for 48 years before retiring, and know how shows such as his are edited to show miracles in 20 minutes. It is so misleading and fake. I sent an objection to NatGeo which apparently doesn’t care as long as he is a minority on their network they can point to.

          • Excuse me , but shut up. Like suddenly all of you are ” dog trainers ” Please. The whole article above is a freakin’ joke. Dr whoever talks as if he was there. How can he possibly know that Shadow chooses ” not to bite ” PLEASE. That’s just BS.
            Do you know what else is BS ? People getting all worked up when they see a man educate a potential dangerous dog in a technique that they don’t like. So they’re screaming that it’s ” dog abuse”. Again, PLEASE.
            ” Dog abuse” is this video when you can see people dragging a dog by its tail and then throw it off a building rooftop.
            ” Dog abuse ” is people running into dogs with their car and then, they just go away.
            ” Dog abuse ” is people putting their dogs in bags locked up so tight, they can’t even breathe.
            ” Dog abuse ” is throwing your dog on the street as if it were an old coffee machine.
            Do you want me to go on? Because I can .
            If you want to be schoked about something, be schoked about these facts,
            What do you do for strays Dogs, uh ? Since you seem to love dogs so much, please do tell us.

            • Shadow has a limb in his mouth 9 times and never bites. That’s how we know he chooses not to bite. Is that too hard for you?

              No, people get upset to see a dog be abused. No education is happening here, and from reports all this abuse failed and Shadow was re-homed.

              Millan abused Shadow.

              And GUESS WHAT? Just because poking a dog’s eye out is abuse doesn’t mean hanging and choking it ALSO isn’t abuse.

              • It is you who should be going to school if you can not even grasp the simple reason why the dog CHOOSES NOT TO BITE Millan. Please note that it is Millan who sets up the dog to missbehave. A dog so reactive to other dogs, should not be made to come so close to other dogs to begin with. You can force the dog not to show aggression, but you can not remove the reason why he does it by using force. Millan is a butcher his approach is antiquated, uninformed, unscientific, unethical and cruel …but I suppose your shithead can not appreciate it as a consequence of the your frontal lobes rather atrophied state!

    • What we in my familycall this is mouthing,, its his way of play and excepting, its ahusky for god sake, (WOLF) it is the closst to a wild dog, and what do they do to their pack members, mouth them, there legs, neck, it is pla plain and simple, somethinghe learned as a pup and must of been ok, back thn,

  2. This is the first I saw this video and really was saddened. I can only think what Shadow was thinking during his horrific experience. Big dogs can be a handful, but one should never resort to this type of negative conditioning.

  3. Cesar’s behaviour is an affront. He’s supposed to be an expert, and knowledgeable, right? He claimed that the dog’s erection was a sign of dominance, but asphyxiation can cause erections – how can the dog both be on the ground (what Cesar calls desirable submissive behaviour) and also be indicating dominance with his erection (Cesar’s diagnosis) at the same time? Not only does this not make any sense, but it shows an alarming lack of education on the part of a person who is delivering corporal punishment. (See more information at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_erection). This is horrifying.

  4. I just heard about this incident today, prompting my latest take on the incident from the perspective of a clicker trainer. I haven’t watched the video, I don’t think I could. I watched about 20 seconds of it and almost started crying and that was enough for me. I try not to judge others for their methods (Lord knows I have my faults!) but Millan’s publicity and crazy and backward techniques are getting a lot of dogs surrendered and euthanized when there are so many other options that may provide viable solutions for people that I couldn’t stay quiet on the issue either. Anyway, thanks for having the courage to say more bluntly what I wanted to say 🙂

  5. The worst I saw was when CM took a closed down dog and put him on a tread mill with ballons bursting, and other loud noises and a stick under his tail as “flooding”. That was totally stupid. To draw out a dog that is emotionally closed down you have to use patience and positive reinforcement, The dog then slowly learns to trust you and begins to open up emotionally. Much like the Horse WHisperer, or White Fang. CM just traumatized the poor dog even more. I worked in broadcasting 48 years, I think CM just got the TV gig because he is a minority working with bully dogs. The abuse I saw was CM kicking dogs in the side my moving his foot behind his other foot to blind side the dog and the dog was doing nothing to deserve being kicked. Michael VIck must have watch CM too many times. Henry, Westdin Kennels LLC, Crown Point, IN

  6. I’m curious as to what finally happened to Shadow. I heard he was removed from the home by the rescue that placed him, but never found any evidence to substantiate that claim. That poor, poor dog.

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  8. What I think is that the dog as a limbic system that deals with emotions and a neocortex that deals with learning. When one is working the other is inhibited by the other thus if you abuse the dog causing him pain or fear or both the dog can not learn by definition. Simple mater really!

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  10. Millan is a dog abuser! I cannot understand how can someone like him have a tv show where he hits, kicks, chokes dogs?! Shame on National Geographic channel, too! Millan’s methods are very harmful, his theory outdated and it saddens me how many people think that it is ok to treat dogs like Millan does.
    When I saw him forcing the poor dogs into fearful situations and provoking them, in my mind and in my heart I felt that this is wrong, so wrong.

  11. I’m just in violent agreement with you. This was an attempt to bully an animal into forced compliance and it backfired. And Millan was lucky that it didn’t end badly for him. This dog could have done much, much worse. Indeed, this dog showed great restraint. I can’t say that I would have been so patient or kind. Dogs are too forgiving. If they weren’t, Millan wouldn’t still be alive and making money today.

  12. I used his techniques on all my dogs. All of my dogs are extremely well behaved, loving, social, energetic and full of personality. The only technique I’ve really used is the touch, it’s always very gentle and I only use it to redirect from a bad behaviour, never as a correction by itself. Three dogs, all of them well trained within about 6-8 weeks so that I never had to tell any of them off after that. So… it worked for me but I will admit that it seems a bit much what he does here, but this dog is trying to bite him, maybe a noose is a bad idea when you might have to restrain like that!

    • I wish no one would talk anymore about this moron who clearly does not know the very first thing about dogs. He wants to be the pack leader of a specie that does not pack; he wants to fight dogs displaying dominance a behavior dogs and wolves use to avoid fighting. Enough is enough the only thing to do is to ignore him and boycot National Geographic.

        • You are the idiot. Dingos had at least 5500 years without humans. When adults talk about dogs, it’s generally understood we mean pets dogs and the dingo “pack” is similar to the wolf group which is a family – breeding pair – and not the fight-to-the-top that Millan thinks.

        • I have never met a person who makes such display of ignorance with every statement about dogs made such as you do. I suggest you write a book about dogs explaining in details everything you think you know on the subject titled: “Dogs: all they are not!”

        • Does’nt it tell you something Allison that all the qualified people in this group disagree with you….are all the cars going the wrong way every time you drive?

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  16. I am a neutral person of his methods. I have used some of his more general methods stated above, like the touch. Another trick I do with my dog is this tip I learned from an animal trainer where you just lightly jiggle the leash to get the dog’s attention. I have a beagle rescue, he is intermixed and I see that he has a sort of shepard/husky in him. I know how difficult it can be to handle aggression. I baby my dog more than others. He sleeps in my arms at night, he is at my side 24/7. But even after all of this, although I find his video a little orthodox, I don’t see it as traumatizing entirely to a dog, especially if it happened for one day. He didn’t lift the dog completely off of the ground. And no one is taking it into account that this dog is a mixed breed, and possibly a hybrid. Wolves do not think like dogs, they do not rely. They can on a case by case basis. But this dog was trying to jump and bite, if he was being traumatized the dog’s tail would not have been wagging and up and proud during the whole video. The little details count. And to bash each other on this site that is supposed to look professional is immature and besides the point of the article. Take into consideration where Cesar came from and what education he has had. It’s fairly limited. I do believe some of his techniques work, not all, and I do believe that the video was a little too much for television, but I have had seen dogs be that aggressive and the only way during an actual episode to handle the dog is to let them get their energy out. He wasn’t deliberately trying to choke him to where he’s going to die. The dog was jumping up at his hands, if he could of I’m sure he would have held the leash back and flicked it if the dog was lurching forward. It’s tricky to control a vertical jumping aggressive dog. Being a pack leader IS important. I have worked at a rescue and at a pet store that took in rescue puppies and I have had to jump on top of a 6 month old great dane mix that was harassing a rat terrier. Belly up is a good sign for a dominant dog. Some of his stuff can be wacky, and no one should follow a dog trainer like a cult, but he’s not the devil for chrissakes.

    • As I make it clear this is a dog that doesn’t bite. I provide 9 solid examples of Shadow having a hand or arm between its jaws and not biting at all. The argument that it wanted to bite is false. It’s curious that you go from trivializing his actions to justifying on the basis of breed-type. So you go from “it’s not that bad” to “it has to be bad because it’s part wolf.” Being a pack leader is an unreachable goal. There is no such thing and what he calls dominance is meaningless when it comes to altering the dog’s emotional response.

      • Please ignore the sentence about Dr Bekoff in my previous post as it is consequent to my missinterpretation of it. My aolologies to Dr. Bekoff

    • I am surprised to read Dr. Bekoff (a student of Dr. Fox) comments. The whole point is that today we simply do not place the dog in a situation where he is provoked, in order to assert “dominance” over him. The fact that the legs are not off the ground, does not mean that the dog is not suffocated.Back in the seventies I used that “technique” and I can gurantee that the dog held up long enough passes out as consequence of being suffocated. Beside even I being 1.87 tall could not lift a German Shepherd off the ground so I assume that Millan short as he is, simply could not, otherwise he would. Milan is a trainer of the past, who addresses the owner’s problems by punishing the unwanted behaviour of the dog, but the point is that whatever it is that causes that behavior remains unaltered if not worse. Today we know that the limbic system inhibits the grey cortex thus making learning difficut if not impossible. Indeed a dog strung up possibly sees his reactions dictated by the reptilian brain with consequent certain exclusion of any learning taking place.

  17. We so need to get away from this false idea of dogs hierarchy. Feral dogs DO NOT form wolf packs. They do not really work on a strict sense of Alpha and Omaga. They are no more a wolf then I am a Chimp. Do you know what happens to a dog when it meets up with a wolf pack, the kill it. Watch feral dogs and you will find the dog with the most FRIENDS is the top dog. You do not find packs of dogs fighting and dominating each other, you don’t even find them cooperatively hunting. You find dogs who have dog friends they visit and play with, you find pregnant bitches birthing and raising pups alone. Nothing I find in a wild population of dogs shows a pack hierarchy. So why the hell is any dog training based on this non existent model of dog behavior???
    Being your dogs friend and partner is far more powerful to the dog then being its ALPHA. I was a Millan fan, now that my eyes are opened and learning about DOG behavior based on DOGS not WOLVES….and I cannot support his methods. They are not needed and are over the top. Sadly my friend is a dog trainer and what I see is her clients expecting this kind of treatment to their dogs, and an instant fix like what they see on TV. They cannot even see the profound change in their dog if it wasn’t gained through some violent measure.
    Mr. Millan has pushed back dog training back into the dark ages.
    If only his little minions in this world would go out, seek out other methods, trainers and study behavior FOR THEMSELVES. Then make a training program of their own based on facts and kindness.

    • I agree with you when you say Milan has pushed dog training back into the dark ages but he is excused by his background and upbringing. Who is really guilty is National Geographic who should know better than to advertise unsupported theories, spoken out by an ignorant man without any formal qualification and little if any understanding of dogs. They have received complains from many very famous and qualified vets, beaviorists and trainers the world over but have chosen to ignore it. Shame on National Geographic.

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